Monday, August 29, 2022

Likely, imminent, severe injury or death, untreatable by medical arts...

Michigan's Governor Whitmer is up for re-election this year.

Her opponent, Tudor Dixon is on record opposing access to abortions even when "the health of the mother" is at stake.

Predictably, the Whitmer ads hammer this point without ceasing since there is almost nothing positive she can point to during her four years in office.

"The health of the mother"

Let me spin out a bit of dialog:

Pro-Whitmer campaigner: "Surely you must allow abortions 'for the health of the mother'!!!"

Pro-life apologist: "No. Not so fast."

PWC: "But then you are condemning the mother to death if she has high-blood pressure or one of several other conditions!!!!"

Apologist: "Then why don't you say '...allow abortions in cases where continuing the pregnancy is likely to result in imminent, severe injury or death to the mother if untreated by other medical arts...?"

PWC: "But that was implied in the language I used."

Apologist: "The language you used also gives the green-light to abortions if the mother displays any signs of anxiety* or depression** since your language makes no allowances for the overlap between normal, biological symptoms of pregnancy and symptoms that can lead to a diagnosis of emotional-health issues."

PWC: "But mental-health issues are real."

Apologist: "I agree that mental-health issues are real. I also believe that most mental illnesses can be treated so they do not threaten the life or health of the mother. They can be treated with medications and therapy."

PWC: "What about depression. People commit suicide all the time. That is a problem for me."

Apologist: "But suicide is not likely and depression is treatable

The problem with your scenario is that hormonal changes in the mother make her hungry and tired and anxious for the future. That is how our bodies are wired. We are preparing a nest for a new life. Your language would allow any provider-of-abortions to see normal, healthy changes in the mother and make a diagnoses of depression and use that as an excuse to abort the baby.

That is just wrong."

Symptoms of anxiety disorder

  • Feeling nervous, restless or tense
  • Having a sense of impending danger, panic or doom
  • Having an increased heart rate
  • Breathing rapidly (hyperventilation)
  • Sweating
  • Trembling
  • Feeling weak or tired
  • Trouble concentrating or thinking about anything other than the present worry
  • Having trouble sleeping
  • Experiencing gastrointestinal (GI) problems
  • Having difficulty controlling worry
  • Having the urge to avoid things that trigger anxiety

 **Symptoms of depression

  • Feelings of sadness, tearfulness, emptiness or hopelessness
  • Angry outbursts, irritability or frustration, even over small matters
  • Loss of interest or pleasure in most or all normal activities, such as sex, hobbies or sports
  • Sleep disturbances, including insomnia or sleeping too much
  • Tiredness and lack of energy, so even small tasks take extra effort
  • Reduced appetite and weight loss or increased cravings for food and weight gain
  • Anxiety, agitation or restlessness
  • Slowed thinking, speaking or body movements
  • Feelings of worthlessness or guilt, fixating on past failures or self-blame
  • Trouble thinking, concentrating, making decisions and remembering things
  • Frequent or recurrent thoughts of death, suicidal thoughts, suicide attempts or suicide
  • Unexplained physical problems, such as back pain or headaches


  1. One common thing among people on the other side, is their use of language. I have noticed 2 things they do, and do very well that hurts our side:
    1 always out in front with defining the landscape; threats to our democracy, pandemic, human rights! Instantly setting the stage for their version of the future discussion (case in point pridepox: affecting 9500 globally, but they are already calling it a worldwide health crisis. I'm straight and married, it is NOT a problem for me) See their careful use of language around J6th, anything blm, etc. "Freedom fighters" vs. "Rebel scum"
    2 malleable definitions - words mean what is convenient to them at that time, and they will twist the entire debate on its head over words with well known definitions, so as to avoid debating the actual point (see Matt Walsh's interviews).
    You end up arguing over word salads instead of the point of debate in the first place, and their side starts it all off with their declaration of where things are and what words mean, so out of the gate, we have already 'lost' the argument as you end up fighting to re-establish long held definitions of words just to make a point. Sadly, engaging is pointless. We won't debate or rhetoric our way out of this situation any more than we will vote our way out of it. Have to grok that quickly now, there isn't much time left.

  2. Attempting dialogue of ANY type with the commie criminal left is pointless. They are incapable of rational, logical thought. They emote their way through life conveniently ignoring any and all actual facts that they don't like while simultaneously espousing BS that is patently and obviously wrong and cry loudly when anyone calls them on it. Dealing with them is the proverbial "never argue with idiots, they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".

  3. A mistake has been made by declaring opposition to abortion in those terms in the first place. It's an unforced error, going on record in such an easily-misrepresentable way. Republicans often lose with such mistakes.

  4. I’d suggest you read the definition and diagnostic criteria for "malignant narcissism" and "narcissistic personality disorder".

    Then realise that the entirety of ‘the left’ fits those diagnoses to a tee. (Whilst the figures show the majority of those clinically diagnosed are male, the unspoken truth is that the vast majority exhibiting such traits are women, but those traits are seen as ‘normal’ in them. So? A man will be diagnosed as a serious risk/danger for … thinking/acting/behaving like the majority of women do. Read the diagnostic criteria again, then deny it fits many/most women you know, which is why the bulk of the left are women).

    One of the characteristic traits is always to present themselves as victims (even when the aggressor) and never, ever, to accept consequences (for themselves).

    Abortion is such a core/fundamental issue for them as it the perfect example of a major, real-world, undeniable consequence, and as such it ‘must’ be … ‘removed’ at any/all cost.

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