By now, most of you who had an interest have seen at least two videos of the Ashli Babbitt shooting.
One from almost directly behind. The other taken at the barricade to Ashli's left.
No, I will not repost them.
I am going to piss many of my readers off, but in my layman's opinion it was a justifiable shooting.
Context
Suppose you had a group of people who blew through all of the checkpoints to get to the weapons room of a sub that has the capability of launching nuclear missiles.
Some of the people were wearing police uniforms but since they did not go through the checkpoints you have no verification that they were, in fact, police.
The mob is on the threshold of the weapons room. If you were assigned the task of defending that room, would you shoot the first person to darken the doorway?
Second point
She was wearing a backpack. I don't know if the shooter knew that, but suppose he did. There was a large bomb detonated in Nashville, Tn barely a week ago. She could have had 30 pounds of C4 in the backpack. How close do you let her get to the area you are tasked with defending?
The only reason the second point is brought up is because somebody should have stopped her (shot her if that was the only way) before she got that far.
Don't play stupid games. Don't win stupid prizes.
We rail at the left because they have a separate set of rule for their own. Darwin doesn't do that. As stated before, shoot every person whose actions identify them as a lethal threat and let God and History sort them out.
So you equate the peoples house with the control room of a sub? Joe, i never realized you were an idiot.
ReplyDeleteIt is not the first time I have been called an idiot.
DeleteWhere was the nuclear football when this was all going down? Was it within a quarter-mile? An average high school athlete can cover a quarter-mile in less than a minute.
Uh, it was near Trump back at the White House. It wasn't at the Capitol Building.
DeleteReply to RuralCounsel: I concede that point. Pence was still #2 in line-of-succession and (if memory serves) Pelosi is #3.
DeleteYou will have to post a much more flowery background to get to "justified".
ReplyDeleteQuestions need to be answered.
Stuff like what were the rules of engagement. Who issued the r.o.e.? Did you (the shooter) see a weapon? Was your life in danger? What were you thinking as the gun discharged? Are you a public servant or a shill for the ruling class?
If the shooter's responsibility was to prevent We, the People, from DIRECT CONTACT DEMOCRACY with our public servants, elected-type, then both the shooter, and every last one of his superiors (Yup, even him) need to be sent to re-education camp, American version. Lamp posts,rope.
I am not pissed off at you, ERJ, I come here for to learn, as you offer alternate and unexpected *good stuff*. This is not it. I am just Disappointed.
Peace on Earth, to all men of goodwill.
I must differ with you, Joe. (BTW, Fred. THAT is how you exchange viewpoints with someone who is on your team, NOT by calling him an idiot.)
ReplyDeleteThe leftists invaded the Senate office building en masse during the Kavanaugh hearings. They pounded on the door of the hearing room while yelling threats. Nobody thought THEY needed to be shot.
Several years ago the leftists invaded and occupied the Wisconsin capitol building because laws were being enacted that they disagreed with. Their occupation lasted for days and days, and they did much damage. Again, nobody decided to start shooting THEM.
The window that she was climbing up was a Tudor-style window with metal rails between the small panes of glass. It is unlikely she was going to be able to pass through that. So it does not look from the video that she would represent an imminent threat to anyone on the other side.
Finally, what she was guilty of, which was unlawful entry, or trespassing on and in a federal building, under US Federal code is a MISDEMEANOR. Summary execution for misdemeanor trespassing under color of law tells me, if I did not already know, that our Republic is now lost. There is one set of laws for leftist protesters/rioters, and an entirely different, much more draconian set of laws for rightist protesters.
The shooter is an out-and-out cold-blooded murderer. If the rule of law still existed in this former Republic, he would be taken into custody, indicted, and prosecuted for murder. Good people can disagree on whether the charge should be first or second degree murder. There was NO rational or moral justification for shooting her.
Just my viewpoint. And you are not an idiot for thinking otherwise. You are a highly intelligent observer of the human condition who gets most things right most of the time. (And you write damn good stories.)
Pence is second in chain of succession. Pelosi is third. They were both in the building or beneath it. Not the case for Kavanaugh or Wisconsin.
DeleteCom-Chi could knock us and Russia in one move.
Hah! If the Chi-Cmos took out Pence and Pelosi they would be doing us a huge favor.
DeleteGeorge, spare me your holier than thou bullshit.
DeleteFred: And spare me your "everybody who disagrees with Fred is an idiot" bullshit. Who died and made you the Oracle of all tbat is wise or idiotic?
DeleteI agree with George. There is nothing about "being in the line of succession" that makes Pence, Pelosi or any congresscritter sacred, at least not more so than any other human being. Even more, the whole incident was created and orchestrated by the Democrats as a psyop ambush. Just look at the sanctimonious way the advocate Stalinist revenge against all conservatives in the wake of it.
DeleteWho died and made you the Oracle of all that is wise or idiotic?
DeleteI corrected your spelling mistake. That same question applies to you george. BFYTW
What is going on with you, Fred ?? First you make an ad hominem attack our host because he Has a different opinion than you. Then you attack me because I dared to point out that it is not necessary to attack him for expressing a different opinion than you.
DeleteAs you may have noticed, I AGREE with YOU. I think the shooting of Ashli Babbit was entirely unjustified. I think Joe got this one wrong. But instead of making the case to him, you just started calling names. Then when I said there is a better way, you started calling me names and saying FU.
I am sure that on most issues you and Joe would be in complete agreement. After all, he is a conservative, as you are, and as I am. No need for any of us here to tear each other down. Okay?
George, i did not attack you. You attacked me. So. If you don't want me to defend myself, don't attack me. As for making a so called ad hominem atttack on the host, i did not attack anyone. He made a post he knew would draw criticism. I stated my opinion of that post. If you don't like that, tough shit.
DeleteI might point out that this place was not the Winter Palace. It was not Versailles. It was not Buckingham Palace. It was the Capital and every American has an inherent right to be there. They own the joint. Not climbing through the window mind you but that is a small matter not appropriately handled by execution.
ReplyDeleteI can't escape the horrible feeling that either this escalates into full shooting rebellion at this point or the Republic is over... and I mean that most literally. For the first time I fear that Totalitarianism has arrived and it will proceed very quickly. I asked God that he would make me wrong.
I'm sticking to the 72 hour rule on this one.
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DeletePlay stupid games, win stupid prizes.
ReplyDeleteShoulda listened to Remus and stayed away from the crowd.
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DeleteLooking at the video from behind her outside, there were guys armed with rifles. If it was deadly force time, they sure looked surprised. It seems obvious what the real problem is. That is Trump has at hand millions of people who rally and support him. Not kooks. But regular hard working middle class folks. He could ask 25,000 patriots to show up with rifles and 100 rounds each. That would be a million rounds. That kind of organization is the only thing that will ever stop the crazed leftists. Trump proved it. The swamp is pissed as hell. That's why michele obama went public today to request Trump be permanently banned for life from any social media platforms. They fear him and us. They don't want us organized. How many people died this past year at protests? I bet a hundred. The two chicks who got punted by the jaguar. The guy dragged to death by semi. How many guys burned with gasoline? The shootings at the chaz. The retired black guard shot in chest. Nothing on the news about any of that. Just us regular tax paying fabric of society deplorable's get the news cycle condemning us.
ReplyDeleteIt is starting to look like ANTIFA played this one perfectly. America's Reichstag fire?
ReplyDeleteThey had four years to study Trump's playbook.
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DeleteI disagree. From the shooter's POV, he should have seen her hands on the window frame, so no weapons there. Merely having a backpack is not enough cause to shoot, either. I have no absolute proof, but it is my belief that Pence, Pelosi and Co. had already been removed from the chamber. That would have been Job 1 when it was obvious something was going sideways.
ReplyDeleteI have, however, been wrong, and would be interested in proof to the contrary.