Thursday, June 1, 2023

Turkish firearms

Imagine a man, a family man, who either finds himself unemployed or who has his wages cut back by a very significant amount.

The man is a proud man. Proud of his ability to provide for and to protect his family.

Sometimes that man pretends that nothing has happened. He continues to buy his family luxuries that they are accustomed to. He goes about his daily life in a way that does not alert his neighbors to the impending, financial train-wreck. He purchases new cars. They go on cruises. The all-inclusive landscaping company continues to mow his lawn twice-a-week even when it does  not rain.

Sometimes he doubles down. He squelches rumors of financial difficulties by spending even more conspicuously.


Turkey had a recent election and Erdogan won. He was the incumbent.

It now appears that he did exactly what the family-man described in the paragraphs above did. He whistled past the grave-yard and did things that were not prudent for the long-term but served to get him re-elected.

Appearances can be everything.

Turkish Lira to USD exchange rate. One year. A higher exchange rate means that one USD will buy MORE than a lower exchange rate.

The Turkish Lira just experienced a very sharp decline in value relative to other, benchmark currencies like the US Dollar (which isn't doing all that whippy in absolute terms). The big banks looked at the numbers and deduced that Erdogan gamed the economics to the detriment of the long-term, Turkish economy to get re-elected.

The momentum and the reserves of gold and harder currencies is not in Turkey's favor. Nor is the portfolio of products they can offer on the world market and most especially in those markets denominated in hard currencies.

Turkey exports some very competent, very economically priced firearms to the United States.

For example, this article highlights six, very competent handguns currently imported from Turkey.

If you are in the market for a handgun, and you can be a little bit patient, you might find some of these available at very attractive discounts. These are not be the "coolest" handguns, or the lightest, or the easiest to conceal, or the ones that the high-end IDPA or USPSA high-speed-low-drag competitors are using. But they are likely to be exceptionally durable and their extra mass will make them easy for novices to shoot...and to enjoy shooting them.

This may be a strategic opportunity if you have some family members who lack a handgun or shotgun.

But let me caution you that in spite of all their other virtues, these guns will NOT float and can be lost in boating accidents.


  1. >The big banks looked at the numbers and deduced that Erdogan gamed the economics to the detriment of the long-term, Turkish economy to get re-elected.

    Thank goodness no American politicians would do that! Right?

  2. Yes, Turkey is producing and exporting some nice and reasonably priced pistols and shotguns.
    However, do your research because some are not so nice and have "issues" or are over priced for what they provide.

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  4. One of the in-laws just bought a Turkish-made 12ga shotgun. Very nicely made clone of an 870. Smooth action, and it shoots well.

  5. I'm fond of French imports.
    Never fired, only dropped once!

  6. Word to the wise, make SURE to do your research first... Just sayin...

  7. CZ sells quite inexpensive double shotguns made under their direct supervision by a plant in Turkey. They are outstanding in quality for the money.

  8. Thanks for the post. I have no Turkish handguns, but my single shot .410 Yildiz is an example of how a .410 'woodswalker' should be. Very lightweight, folding single shot similar to the long discontinued Beretta Galef design. Saw it at the local Academy this past weekend for $149.

    The wood furniture on many Turkish firearms should be noted - very nice grain and well finished as well.

    Thanks again for the post.

  9. Looks like the Lira is going up again.

  10. I always think about parts availability for firearms without a large following and without US manufacturing, especially if you are of a “prepper” mindset. In which case the “two is one, one is none” maxim applies.

  11. ERJ, not being much of a gun person, I have often wondered about lesser known arms manufacturers. Thanks for the grist for the mill.

  12. I do remember looking at a Turkish clones of the Beretta 92 and H&K MP5. The price was right but the fit and finish was lacking which made me wonder about durability and service parts. I have heard good things about their shotguns.

  13. I gave 2 girsan pistols, the 1911 has a red dot and the trigger is very rough for a 1911 in comparison to my kimbers and springfield. It may smooth out with use. The hi-power clone (mc-35)has a decent trigger after I had the mag safety removed. The front sight keeps drifting out, but some blue locktight is going to fix that. I would recommend the hi-power clone.

    1. I have a Tisas/ SDS 1911 and it is really nice. Supposed to be full mil spec Commanders model.

  14. Turkey also exports a number of interesting air rifles, ranging from relatively inexpensive guns suitable for rodent eradication, through mid-priced repeaters (Kral) and even big bore automatics (Hatsan)

  15. Whatever one buys consider a few things:

    1) "Two is one, one is none" (as mentioned by Scott, above). The Turkish stuff is inexpensive enough to have two on hand. FYI, buying more than one handgun within 5 days gets you on a BATFE list because the FFL has to file a form with them. You can strike a "discount deal" with the FFL to get a better price on a pair, it's up to you whether or not you want extra attention from the feds.

    1B) If your partner likes what you're considering, and it works for them, that's a plus because magazines and spare parts will be interchangeable. Should that come to pass, buy not two but at least 3 projectile expellers, and having 4 isn't out of line.

    2) Magazines are consumables. They are wear items. And, should things "get sporty" there may be circumstances in which one drops a magazine during an "event" and it itt unretrievable, for a variety of reasons. Have spares. Lots and lots of spares. FYI, factory mags will cost more, they will also work better; when you find yourself on a two-way range is not the time to discover Failure To Feed problems with the magazines you saved a few dollars each on.

    3) Holsters. Quality holsters cost money - real money, in fact - but they offer advantages not present with the cheap stuff - a quality holster will not only hold the gun securely, it will place the gun in exactly the same location and position every time which can be "an important factor." When draw speed and "time to first accurate shot" becomes a very critical issue having to hunt around on your belt for the gun is not a positive factor.

    Pro Tip: Anything and everything you see on a screen, any screen, big or small, from Hollywood, or anyone even remotely associated with it, regarding gun safety, gun operation, and competent usage is unadulterated bullshit of the First Order. Do not copy it. Learning first hand from Those Who Know costs valuable time and real money; it's worth it.


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