...cursed are you, Snake among all the animals, tame or wild;
On your belly you shall crawl, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers;
They will strike at your head, while you strike at their heel. Genesis 3:14,15
Suppose for a moment that any person who was proven in civil court to have participated in a riot and damaged any business during that riot would be ineligible for any funds that originated from any State program or from Federal money. Also suppose that they were also severed from any public sector job for a minimum period of seven years, at which time their employer could legally rehire them if they desired.
Not a good idea because with the bunch in there now attending a Trump rally or an NRA meeting would have the same consequences. ---ken
ReplyDeleteDepends on who gets to declare there was a "riot."
ReplyDeleteWhile we're playing make believe lets also pretend we have an honest political system and an uncorrupted judiciary. Because we don't. That's why BLM/Antifa was able to run rampage unmolested while peaceful unarmed protesters from Jan 6 last year are still rotting in jail without bail, charges or trial.
ReplyDeleteYeah, what Dan (and Ken) said.
DeleteThe rot is the problem.
The creek won't clear until you get the pigs out of the water.
Part of my dreaming is based on the probability that the majority of the rioters get some or all of their money in the form of checks directly from the state OR work in public schools or universities, thus explaining the surge in riots during those weekends before school vacations.
DeleteI willingly concede the points about the system being tilted.
Not sure you can impose ending governmental handouts as a basis for an award in a civil suit. The government isn't a party in the civil suit.
DeleteNow if it were a criminal prosecution ... but we've all seen what corruption happens there.
A "tip of the iceberg" issue.
DeleteWay below most people's radar is how much federal money - taxpayer money plus "freshly printed" money and loans (sale of bonds) - goes to support Leftist causes, straight from the U.S. Treasury.
EX: As far as I can tell, the US Dept of Ed budget is ~$103 billion. Some of that goes to what most probably consider worthwhile programs, but the bulk goes to support what the Lefties want. Any idea why the Podunk County school system has so many administrators, diversity coordinators, special ed programs, etc.? It's the fed dot gov money funding it.
There's not a federal agency which doesn't do the same thing; rummage through city and county budget details and the words "grant funding" pops up a lot because writing and federal submitting grant proposals is a growth industry.
Shut it down, all of it *, by herding the federal government back into its Constitutional corral and almost all of the social abuses we suffer under will disappear; when someone has to actually work for a living doing something productive rather than cashing gummint checks they'll quickly run out of time for weekend rampages.
*And that especially applies to any and all government loan and grant programs for "higher ed." If someone needs money to go to college to improve their future make them have a solid stake in it.
Hate to bring it up but it would be GLEEFULLY applied against recipients of SS and federal pensions including military retirement. And anything else it could be twisted to cover.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. Weaponize the law, and it is just as likely to be used against whomever is not in power/control. Don't believe for a second that our institutions and government haven't chosen a side here.
DeleteWhat does riot have to do with it? If you damage someone's stuff you pay restitution. That's the whole point of civil court. Is someone saying that if you damage someone's stuff while rioting they are exempt from the existing laws?
ReplyDeleteNo, but doesn't mean you can access their government subsidies and social safety net payments as part of your typical court judgment that you have to go get enforced after a civil trial. (The courts don't just hand you the money when you win. You get a judgment that you then have to go enforce. That's why some defendents are "judgment proof." They have nothing you can collect.)
DeleteBut the original question was posted as a new special kind of civil tort that involved a riot that would allow someone to cut off those government payments. That's why it matters.
Add to that the antifa and BLM rioters didn't pay a cent for the damage they did in 2021.
DeleteIt's pretty difficult to identify individuals responsible for specific property during a riot unless there is footage. But if it applies to anyone who was rioting ... then you can go after the deeper pockets.