What if we offer Canada the privileges of being the 51st, 52nd and 53rd States?
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| Southern Ontario circled in blue, Quebec circled in red, Everybody Else circled in green. |
Southern-Ontario, Quebec and Everybody Else. That would entail populations of roughly 15 million, 8 million and 16 million or roughly the populations of New York State, Washington State and New York State. They would get six senators and would split roughly 50:50 Conservative:Liberal and the new states would fall into coherent ideologies although Vancouver and the Maritimes might quibble with Everybody Else....so maybe hold a referendum where they can chose to join Quebec.
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One of the proposals from the comments. Quebec is made its own, stand-alone country. Western Canada is grouped together based on "like" industries and culture. Southern Ontario is made its own state based on population and "like" industries. The eastern provinces + south side of St Lawrence River are grouped together as kind of a Nueva Inglaterra Norte.
The wealthy mainland Chinese families that own a lot of Vancouver BC might have something to say about that.
ReplyDeleteWe're talking serious multigenerational Jack Mau level money here as they used the loophole in Chinese law to transfer much wealth out of China with property investments and business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Canadians_in_Greater_Vancouver
Leviathan is too large already. Adding more land and people under control is the opposite direction to be travelling.
ReplyDeleteCounter-counter-offer: New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, P.E.I, Labrador and Newfoundland are their own state based on geography and cultures. They would have a population of about 2.5 million or slightly more than New Mexico.
ReplyDeleteAgree the Maritimes should be their own state but Quebec north of the St Lawrence River should be patted on the derriere and turned loose to be the country they have always demanded. We keep the south side of the River so the Seaway stays open, and the southsiders can go back to speaking English.
ReplyDeletePlus, put the capitol of West Canada in Regina or Winnipeg, not Ottawa Victoria, or Vancouver
That works for me
ReplyDeleteNorthern Ontario conservative
I'm Canadian, I am biased as hell and freely admit it... but I am watching the doings today and I don't see any benefit in an annexation like that outside of Alberta, Sask, and Manitoba. The rest of the country is basically California - along with all the same corruption, incompetence and stupidity. Most of that is concentrated in Morontario and Queerbec. They are also where the bulk of the political power in the country is... and they will not get off that gravy train easily.
ReplyDeleteVancouver is basically San Francisco with similar problems with druggies, socialists. Again, the lower mainland of Hongcouver is where the bulk of western political power is.
I dunno who would get the worst of it with an annexation. Given how polarized both our countries are, we should be more worried about dealing with that division and growing resentment... and especially the people driving it.
I love Americans, and respect Trump but I do not speak for Canada at large. I would love to see the west break away as I hold most of my countrymen in utter contempt. But the reality is what it is... if you can't get along with us as business partners and allies... you probably wouldn't want us as countrymen and citizens either.
But whadda I know?
Filthie, I totally agree !!! My mother's family are Canadians and I spent a lot of time there when I was a kid so I have a pretty good sense of the people and place and I don't want them voting in our elections ! Or deciding anything else. I only have occasional contact with them anymore and that's enough. ---ken
DeleteGrowing up in Boofaloo, NY, southern Ontario was Europe-light. I have no idea what it's like today, I can only imagine...
DeleteHow about this? The 3 provinces you mention join with Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, both Dakodas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas andTexas and succeed and form a new Nation. We get coal, oil the bread basket and a sea port.
ReplyDeleteHey! Tennessee borders the Mississippi river, Arkansas and Missouri. We wanna come!
DeletePledging allegiance to the independent and sovereign Queen of the regions East of Paris, it seems reasonable and consistent that we should advocate sovereignty for our francophone friends to the far away northeast. Independence for Quebec!
ReplyDeleteThat'll knock some snow off the roof ...
A little East of Paris
No, a thousand times no. Canada needs to be made a territory first until they can be acculturated as Americans.
ReplyDeleteI could see Alberta admitted as a state, perhaps, but unless you want a new bunch of states sending Democrat senators as a result, you really don;t want them as states right now.
Canada as an entire county has a GDP only slightly bigger than Mississippi -- and a lot of people with unearned sense of entitlement to add to the voting rolls.
Knowing a little bit about your background, I accept you as an expert on the subject.
DeleteNot to be an anal-retentive A-hole, but I think that is GDP/capita
Good point on being territories first. For one thing, we have to rip down their parliamentary governments where the legislature is sovereign and replace them with republican triparte governments where the people are sovereign under a constitution that binds the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches but not the People.
DeleteTurdeau could do what he did because their Parliament is sovereign.
As embarassing as it is for you to engage in this talking point, I hope you're at least joking.
ReplyDeleteIf we are afraid to explore with words, then what prevents us from exploring in more kinetic ways?
DeleteWords are what separate men from animals. We can manipulate ideas and create new ideas by using words to create virtual worlds. We can use words to sort through trading Jack Sprat's fat for somebody else's lean.
So I am not "joking" in the conventional sense. I am acting as if I were an agent given the job of negotiating and I crafted a "package" that was far more generous than Trump's.
LIkely, Trump was just twisting Trudeau's tail. But ideas can take a life on their own.
The heuristic of "Anchoring and Adjustment" suggests that the first proposals disproportionately "frame" future proposals. By quickly tossing out a proposal that, on the face of it, is rational...future negotiations will start from a more central position, a fairer position, than if I had not published this post.
I also have wickedly smart readers and their comments make the original proposal hugely better, very quickly. That is easy to do when the cement is still wet and becomes much, much more difficult after it sets.
No one mentioned fear about this topic, Joe. I'm optimistic that you'll come to drop the bad habit of hallucinating points to argue against.
DeleteYou can save the droning about words and what their power. We all know this, and it's not a blanket excuse to humor every point. Should we run some numbers on me taking over your house? Just exploring! Or how about we don't.
You'll take a concept like "anchoring and adjustment" and use it as an excuse for abhorant behavior. Where do you draw the line? Can I say "I'm going to storm your house and take your property as my own. Just kidding, now that we have that framing, how about you take $500 for the couch?" We have to be principled and know where to hold fast, lest we continue to boil in the pot like the frog we are.
Canada is an ally. We are not floating the idea of annexing them. Cut the bullshit.
Gary did you pay a subscription fee to join this discussion?
DeletePlease let me know how much so I can reimburse you so you can go in pieces elsewhere.
"Abhorrent thoughts" "Bad Habit of hallucinating points"
You must be a blast at BBQ parties if your ever reinvited to them.
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Gary reading the room seems not to be in your skillset.
DeleteProfanity doesn't prove a point. Assaulting the blog owner doesn't get you points with the regular readers and posters.
Go in peace.
Hey Michael, you seem to struggle with misunderstanding what you're responding to. You're great at detracting from substance, though.
DeleteI agree that profanity does not prove a point. It's actually irrelevant to the point, but it does seem to easily distract you. My discourse here is not swayed by how it might affect the disposition of readers or the blog owner towards me.
If you have anything to say that has some substance towards the discussion, I'd be happy to address it. Cheers.
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Delete"Stop feeding the trolls!?" DASSS WAYCISSS!! No, wrong repley, I meant DASSSS UNNUHMERKAN!!!
DeleteGary is just a little thin skinned, a little insulting, butt hay, can't we all jiss gittalong?
Oops, forgorgot my snarc. clarifier at the end.
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