Thursday, November 21, 2024

Still marveling and learning

Every once in a while I stub my toe on a piece of information that challenges my understanding of how the world works.

The first time that happened was when I read an academic article written by somebody who took a leaf from a Russet Burbank potato, used enzymes to dissolve the bonds holding the cells together and then cultured a brazillian plants, each from an individual cell.

My understanding, which was wrong, was that every plant would be identical or nearly identical. In fact, there was a radical amount of scatter. Some plants were short-and-squatty. Others were tall-and-lanky. Some were horrifically vulnerable to certain diseases. Others showed unexpected resistance.

The backstory is that the original seed that evolved into the Russet Burbank potato was planted in 1873. By the time of the experiment, more than 100 years of mutations had accumulated within the tissues of what we know as "Russet Burbank Potato". It is a chimera. An agglomeration of random mutations (the worst of which had been rogued out by the seed-potato producers), that in aggregate and from a distance seemed like a homogeneous and stable organism.

Consider an University of Alabama or Ohio State University home football game. From 5000 feet elevation, the crowd seems to be a homogeneous, reddish tinted mass. Only by zooming into a much more granular level do you see the random UK or Purdue fan muddying up the sea of scarlet or crimson. The macroscopic and the microscopic samples are very, very different.

The most recent case of stubbing my toe

Most recently, a paper on Fire Blight in apples and pears came across one of my feeds.

Pear cultivars had very high numbers of E. amylovora in the inoculated shoots as well as in non-inoculated shoots and stems (Fig. 7a and b). Fewer bacteria, but still up to 4.5*10^5 units per plant section, were found in the rootstocks.

My prior understanding was that if a susceptible variety was exposed to ANY Fire Blight, it would rage like wild-fire and kill the tree.

Since many of these trees were grafted on very susceptible root-stock, my prior belief was that resistant varieties would "cork off" or somehow encapsulate or compartmentalize the disease, much like humans wall off tuberculosis.

Resistant pear varieties do cork off the contagion but it is a very leaky dam. It appears that symptoms (and the cascading avalanche of pathogenic organism populations) of Fire Blight do not occur until after some threshold of contagion is exceeded, even in the roots of nominally "very susceptible" individuals.

There were rumblings and rumors of such with Covid-19 in humans. Severity of symptoms seemed to vary with the initial intensity of exposure. That makes a lot more sense in humans with active immune systems. A lower initial exposure gives our immune system time to drag templates back to our lymph nodes to use as patterns for antibodies. Our body tools-up antibody production while virus populations grow. A higher initial exposure gives the virus an almost unbeatable head-start.

But plants don't have adaptive immune systems like animals so there must be other mechanisms in-play. This may be over-thinking the problem. Choose scion varieties and root-stocks with some Fire Blight resistance and follow best-practices with regard to fertilizing and pruning. Don't go nuts with planting density. Life is complicated. There are many different strains of Fire Blight with varying degrees of virulence. A pear or apple variety might be immune to one strain of FB and susceptible to another while a different pear or apple variety might be exactly the opposite.

12 comments:

  1. Blight just happens Joe! In trees and humans. Oddly more so in the humans lately. Why?

    Long stringy white fibrous blood clots are normal, and have always been a part of our pathology!

    Why now?

    And sudden cervical and rapid ovarian stage 4 cancers and strokes and heart attacks among young people popping up are just a figment of our imagination.

    Nada to see here. No bowel cancer trend happening at all in the Western world. Shush!

    Insurance company actuary table$ are still doing the math but not being published widely nor talked about in the MSMedia.

    Why not?

    Look into that, and if you know someone in the life insurance biz, maybe ask them about it in person.

    Body language tells a tale…

    Something has happened to the immune systems of those fruit trees out there Joe!

    Nevermind what’s happened to our gut bacteria. Ignore that.

    Maybe if our natural immune system is balanced between pathogens (external) and tumors (internal), things are all just fine.

    But if some .gov mandated external influence just happened to tip the immune system toward fighting lab created external pathogens and yet also ignoring tumor/clot growth, what happens then?

    Maybe WWIII is an easier path than dealing with the reality of the Western sovereign debts and operation warp speed. Maybe.

    But what the hell do I know?

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    2. I’m a dying breed, who still believes

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    3. Fight hard boys, hell is coming to breakfast!

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    4. Since a local hospital technician told me last month that breast cancers are up 400% so far this year and my friend's 17 year old niece has ovarian cancer I've been focusing harder on my Russet potatoes kept for next year as that is much easier to deal with. Yes," hell is coming for breakfast". ---ken

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    5. I am seeing anecdotal reports on this internet thingy that ivermectin has been used to shrink cancer.

      Since I believe very little that I see on the internet unless it fits my existing knowledge base as plausible, I am skeptical but very interested. As always I have to ask who benefits and since Ivermectin is a generic drug now out of patent, the medical establishment does not make nearly as much on this as they do on traditional cancer treatments. They will fight that tooth and nail just like they did for covid.

      I choose to believe that followers of Christ who said love thy neighbor as thyself will put good information out altruistically, versus the big pharma and government shills that lied to us the last time for profit and power.

      Asking the question again, who benefits from saying that Ivermectin works... Christians, following Jesus' words.

      I've been wrong before but it's something to think about

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    6. Don't forget the Fenbendazole.

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  2. Fermented foods help maintain the good bacteria in your gut. And as the gut is almost half your immune system :-)

    Homemade foods, at least you know what's IN them. Sauerkraut and Kimchee is easy, I make them in 3- and 5-gallon pails. Large batches are nice as long as the cabbage is below the liquid BUT they get Stronger over time.

    I ate kimchee in Korea from pots taller than me that was a year old. Grows hair on your chest.

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  3. If I understand you correctly, this is why they were able to come up with a "Covid 19" test so quickly? It wasn't a corona virus 19 test ONLY, it was a corona virus all inclusive test PERIOD.
    Then you just add mass hysteria and the power of Suggestion. Next thing you know we get masked karens calling the cops on somebody 20 feet away because "They LOOKED at me! They tried to kill me".

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  4. Joe, as you increase the size of your orchard other problems are going to pop up. I don’t think fireblight is going to be the problem. My orchard had very spotty shoot strikes until I planted Johngold and Fuji from a nursery out west. FB took out all of them, no I didn’t spray Streptomycin so my bad.
    I have Harrow Sweet, Luscious , and Harvest Queen pears for 20 + years with no blight.
    Covid 19 was engineered to kill people after the first infection was over, kind of like polio coming back( my opinion ). The vaccine didn’t help, but how many people trusted their doctors?
    Grumpy Old Macdonald

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    1. I enjoy your handle, sir.

      I have no plans to spray streptomycin. The P. betulifolia rootstock is coming from Oregon while (most) of the scionwood is coming from the Eaton Rapids orchard. The MM-106 came from Oregon originally.

      The property owner really likes fruit he understands. Fruit like apples and pears. I was able to wheedle him into a row of persimmons and chestnuts. I also plan to convince him to replace the Black Walnuts I am cutting down with Shellbark Hickory or Pecans, even if the chances of ripening pecans might only be a one-in-ten year event.

      Planning and planting orchards is a lot of fun.

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  5. Interesting set of facts. I didn't know that either, but I don't follow the plants/trees like you do!

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