CoyoteKen commented:
When I lend "One Second After" to my friends they tell me that they have their wives read it and they usually ask "Are you sure you have enough guns and ammo and food?" ---Seems to work.---ken
Has it occurred to you that the Lunatic Left is the human version of the Electro-Magnetic Pulse that reduced civilization to the stone-age in "One Second After"?
- Gasoline and diesel engines stopped working.
- Communication was reduced to paper-and-pencil.
- Medicine became witch-doctor and wing-of-bat stuff.
- Crime became brutal and common as did citizens' responses to it.
For the record, Terry Blackstock's "Restoration Series" another outstanding introduction to civilization unraveling faster than can be comprehended. The first book in the series is "Last Light". It is my impression is that it is easier for some women to identify with the character(s) in "Last Light" then the ones in One Second After. Another factor that makes Last Light worth reading is that the protagonists live in an upscale subdivision near a large town. The location comes with its own set of challenges. "What do you mean, nobody has anything to carry water with?"
Rejects from England
Much has been made of how rejects from England were deported to colonies which then went on to thrive.
There has been very little critical analysis regarding "what changed, how did anti-social people become productive?". The question is generally dismissed with "Well, the laws in Jolly olde England were stupid. They just needed a fresh start." I suspect that reaction is because nobody offered a better explanation.
It occurred to me that breaking the deportees into relatively small groups and then putting them under maritime law for three-to-six months may have been a factor. The very worst actors were tuned up with marlin spikes, billy-clubs or a handle from the capstan. If they persisted, they were beaten until they were either brain-damaged, severely lamed or they were given swimming lessons in the dark-of-night.
The others benefited from the strict discipline of ship-board life. Transgressions could not be hidden. Consequences were swift and severe. Thieves living with thieves could not hide their actions and were (probably) dealt with internally.
It was a different group of people leaving the ship than had boarded it.
Was going to be Fake News Friday
"Donald Trump announced that he will repurpose 85,000 IRS Agents to ICE on his first day in office.
The agents will be reduced out by seniority and re-assigned new jobs as Immigration Agents.
They will be required to work from home. All immigrants who they allow into the country will be bused and released directly in front of the agent's home.
Trump stated that the main problem with the Federal Government is that the people in it have "No skin in the game" and they can avoid personal responsibility.
"Dropping immigrant off in front of the agent's home while he/she is working there is the surest way to ensure that only those immigrants who are law-abiding and who have solid proof of refugee-status will be allowed into the country." Trump is reported to have said.
I will have to scratch my head and look for a source, but I remember vaguely hearing that roughly 2 % of people (or it might have been males) were executed or died in prison in the middle ages, which reduced the amount of aggression (commiting crimes) and stupid (getting caught) in the population.
ReplyDeleteI read something like that as well. During the reign of Henry VIII there were about 70k executions but that pales beside the 30% mortality in Germany during their Protestant Revolution.
DeleteOne source estimated 7000 people were executed in England between 1770 and 1830 which is a drop-in-the-bucket compared to the population of roughly 10 million.
During the peasant rebellion in Germany in 1524-1525, over 80,000 were massacred by the ruling classes in less than a year.
DeleteThe nobles didn't tolerate rifts in civilised society.
The reversed could be said in the French Revolution. The riff raff did not tolerate the nobility in its society,
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It's my understanding that the criminals deported to colonies were a moderate percentage of the population, and that they were usually on the lowest levels of society when they got there.
ReplyDeleteI read about Australia a while back - IIRC, they generally had a 2 tiered society at that time, with the criminal immigrants providing free or nearly free labor to the connected ones.
In fact, other lower and mid level immigrants complained about it for a long time before the system finally changed.
In summary, the deported criminals were not a major factor in success of colonies... And yes, the trip over was brutal; many didn't survive.
Jonathan
I had a fellow with bi polar children tell me that if you could trace your heritage back before some early date in the 1700's there was a 60% chance of being bi-polar. It was over a beer so I have no footnotes and I am writing from memory. Read the story of Simon Kenton and what touched off the indian wars and you will have insight.
ReplyDeleteThe title of the Simon Kenton biography is "The Fronteersman".
ReplyDeleteI think it was more that the people the UK exported to the US (especially with regards to those that settled in the mountains and the colonial south) were completely unsuited to life in a recently civilized border area, but perfectly suited to the frontier. Albion's Seed is the seminal work in this area, but I'll briefly summarize one of the arguments.
ReplyDeleteThe Scottish Marches/Border areas are the area between England and Scotland, and Scottish immigrants from the UK were heavily drawn from this area (with good representation from the rest of Scotland as well). This area was subject to medium level conflict, raiding, piracy, outright rapine and violence on and off for essentially the entire post-Roman time, but also including the Roman time to some extent (Romans, then Saxons pushing the Anglos north, then Viking era raids with conflict with the newly created "English" (hiho Alfred), then conflict with Normans, then 700 years of fighting with the English-ed Normans (Freeeeedommmmm!). Finally in the early 1600s and into the early 1700s there was some abatement of official raiding and piracy, with it more-or-less settling by down by the 1700s.
This decline was a big problem.
The social mores that enabled people to live here for ~1.5k years of raiding and warfare did not enable them to live in society. The newly created UK did 2 things: One of the things it used them to do was conquer India, defeat Napoleon and create an empire the sun never set on via wholesale enlistment of all the young males that could be bribed with 40 shillings on a drumhead. The other thing was to export them wholesale, voluntarily with families or otherwise, to the US where they predominantly settled in Appalachia and the backwoods south.
Unlike the more, ermm, polite Quaker/Shaker/Puritan/Protestant-but-high-church-or-otherwise-harshly-religious-but-less-violent Puritans and similar movements in the US NE (DE, PA, MA) they had 0 interest in reforming/living alongside the natives. They came in with their raiding tribal lifestyle and skills at farming extremely marginal land, ignored all published boundaries and promptly spread out into the back country wherever they went.
The same skills/mores/lifeways that made them completely unacceptable in a Modern United Kingdom (inability to handle enclosures of common lands, enforcement of laws on cattle rustling, stricter approaches to private land rights vs public uses and a general state monopoly on violence) made them perfectly suited as the frontline shock settlers in 17/18 hundreds mountains and south US.
Even today you can track military enlistment per capita over areas and it correlates strongly with Scottish descent.
For a longer (but still shorter than the book) discussion of this idea I'd rec'd: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-seed/
For an excellent history of the Border Reivers of the English/Scottinsh border, try the George MacDonald Fraser book "The Steel Bonnets". Handy too if you want to know where your ancestors originated if you have a Scottish or Northern English surname.
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Phil B
I thought the applachians were settled so quickly because the Pennsylvania Dutch wanted to tax their liquor and they would have none of it. Still a point of pride to not pay tax you your liquor in the mountains.
DeleteA lot of immigrants in their early teens were orphans that people here used for servants, wives, laborers, indentured servants and outright slaves. A good number of my ancestors were such, both pre and post Revolution.---ken
ReplyDeleteThat book made me scared to go any distance from home for a while.
ReplyDeleteI'm still that way. If I can't walk home from there I don't want to go. And the way things are going now I don't see any reason to change my mind.---ken
DeleteIt took 500 years of the rack, the gibbet and the stake to induce some fear into the criminals. Now they view prison as rite of passage, a mark of honor.
ReplyDeleteI hear you loud and clear on the container issue. We take them for granted as a one time throwaway. There is a reason digs find weapons and pots- they last, but they were also needed.
Both are on the money! And yes, if people will read them 'honestly', it will open their eyes!
ReplyDeleteI downloaded and started reading 'First Light' and was not impressed.
ReplyDelete“He left you with three children under three?”
Right, 'cuz those evil white males do this shit on the regular.
Every trope, every dem-cuck cliche, every dark fantasy of the wine-box crowd, all loaded into a weak rendition of apocalypse. Spare me.
So, you could no identify with the characters because it is not something you would do as a father and because delegating survival-critical tasks to somebody else (your husband) is foreign to you. Nor can you identify with being abandoned by somebody you were totally counting on and they bailed when the going got tough.
DeleteThe flip-side is that many woman CAN identify with that situation. Either they lived through it or somebody close to them got dumped by hubby after she had #2 and had gained 30 pounds and she "wasn't as much fun" as she used to be.
Having hubby (regardless of political affiliation or skin tones) disappear during an end-of-the-world event would be riveting for some women because they could totally see themselves (or a dear friend) in a similar situation.
Statistically, women are 4x more likely than men to bail on the marriage and family. Having wife and kids disappear and being sentenced to lifelong financial slavery is something one hell of a lot of men can identify with.
DeleteWe are and have been for quite a while an insanely wealthy society. Only a society with massive surpluses of goods can tolerate and survive the ridiculous actions we see. But what cannot continue will not. Our wealth is rapidly being dissipated. Soon we will return to a time of great poverty and need. That will bring back near zero tolerance for what we have been seeing. The pendulum is swinging. Where it is swinging too will be ugly.
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