So there I was chatting it up with the gentleman who was selling me our new livestock. He threw in a sack o feed and bowls and assorted other goodies he no longer needed.
Seeing how he only lived ten miles from me, we played the "Do you know..." game.
In fact, there are several people we both knew.
It turned out that the seller was a firefighter, EMT and is "into" martial arts and weight-lifting.
So Barry (not his real name) insisted on telling me a story about one of his most recent martial arts experiences.
A traveling "Master" of their discipline had come to the dojo and given them a talk on "practical self-defense".
I am paraphrasing here, so cut me some slack
The Master said "Everybody gets it wrong because your beloved papa and grandpappy gave you bad information."
(Collective gasp from the audience)
"It is STUPID to wait for the person who is assaulting you to land the first punch."
At this point, the firefighter/EMT commented, "I made a lot of runs where the fight was over with one punch...the first and only one. Dude gets hit, falls back and knocks the back of his head on the curb, GAME OVER. Potentially fatal damage."
Back to the Master. "There is a fraction of a second when the person assaulting you has fully committed himself. His hands are balled into fists. He has thrown his striking hand back to wind up and throw a really hard punch. At that instant, if you step forward and hit him with a short, hard punch with your same-side hand (i.e. hit him with your left if he is drawing back to hit you with his right) it will happen so fast that nobody who is watching will really know who threw the first punch."
The ICE/Weaponized Vehicle event in Minnesota
This is what I think I saw on the video.
One ICE agent is engaging the driver through the driver's side window.
A second ICE agent moved right-to-left (from the cameraman's/driver's perspective) in front of the vehicle.
The vehicle, which had been traveling in reverse, started moving forward.
The quality of the video is good enough to ascertain that the left, front wheel was "spinning" relative to the ground. It was also apparent from the perspective of the video that the driver was cranking her steering wheel to turn toward the right, away from the ICE agent at the driver's side window as she accelerated.
Given reaction times and angles of view, the ICE agent who was in front of the vehicle would be unlikely to see the angle of the front tires. He would not know that the driver was cranking the steering wheel and was turning to the right and might have missed that agent.
- There is evidence that it was a "righteous shooting". The tires were clearly spinning as she accelerated with great vigor as the vehicle was pointed toward the ICE officer who was stationary and in front of the vehicle.
- There is evidence that she was not trying to hit the ICE agent in front of her, i.e. the front tires (which he probably could not see from his angle) turning to the right.
And this is why I don't go stupid places at stupid times with stupid people and do stupid things. People who do that sometimes get unlucky and die. Things happen fast. Adrenaline. Fog-of-war. Tunnel-vision.
To play a theme on what the Master was lecturing about to the students at the dojo, we do not live life in real-time. It is impossible. Due to scan-rates and the time it takes for our nerve impulses to travel to our brains, what we see as "reality" is at least 0.200 seconds old. It is history. Then our cognitive processes (FIFO through the stream of sensory data) and "quality checks" adds another 0.30 seconds. Sadly, when shit-is-going-down, the people who are in-the-soup do not have the luxury of slowing down the video to 25% speed and viewing all 5 viewing angles multiple times. They are acting on information that is half-a-second old.
Her demise was unfortunate. I suspect that she was hyper-focused on the agent who was at her car window and never saw the ICE agent who had moved in front of her vehicle while she was backing up. If so, the ultimate issue is that she was accelerating her vehicle forward with incomplete knowledge of what/who was in front of her.
When I shoot a gun, I need to be aware of what is downrange in a cone that is far greater than the +/- two minute-of-angle cone that my bullet might travel in. Fleshy targets influence bullets the way glass lenses bend light. Bullets ricochet off of the ground or branches they encounter.
At a minimum, the angle of the cone of risk is more like +/- 60 degrees with is approximately 2000 times greater than the "theoretical" cone.
I believe that drivers of a motor vehicles are also responsible for a generous cone-of risk to either side of them most likely path
This is reminiscent of "The Conversation"... your comment about 'stupid' is apropos.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, this event will be spun, spun and spun some more.
DeleteI am certain that my one friend who is openly gay is in a toral panic because the information silos that he watches are (probably) spinning this as "proof Trump is using Federal thugs to exterminate LGBT people...we told you so..."
Stay frosty.
I've never been involved in a brawl in adult life except for the two times I punched someone on a rugby pitch. The first time was when I felled a large forward who was assaulting our small scrum-half long after the ball was gone. The referee murmured "It's for me to apply the laws, not you" but still awarded us a penalty kick.
ReplyDeleteThe second time was when I punched a player on my own side for repeatedly disobeying my instructions. The referee murmured "I understand your frustration but I can't allow that" and awarded our opponents a penalty kick.
There are no referees in most of life. I must say my instinct if someone were preparing to throw a punch would be either to move into him and wrestle a bit, probably with added use of the knee, or even better see if I could elbow him on the throat. What do experienced brawlers think?
Mark you, I was once mugged by a chap who tried to stick his knife into my heart. I was young and quick so I simply disarmed him. In a well ordered society I should then have gutted him but I knew that the result would have been me being the one jailed so I refrained. My apologies to everyone else who was presumably later attacked by the knifeman.
"Fights"
ReplyDelete99% of Americans have never really been in a fight, which is good, but it also means they have no idea about what is involved. One of the toughest guys I ever worked construction with died in a bar fight, one punch, fell back, hit head on curb, DOA.
Same 99% aren't even aware of their situation during these events............
https://youtu.be/qbyb676cwoo
Deletevideo "no longer available"
DeleteTry https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-video-when-mma-enthusiast-fought-powerlifter-street-fight-killed
Delete"This video removed for violating YouTube's Terms of Service." Which, along with "sign in to see video" (some of us connect via VPNs) has made YouTube completely worthless. Thanks, Google.
DeleteI lifted this from a forum I frequent:
ReplyDeleteShe (the driver) purposely put herself in that situation and interfered, attempting to block vehicles. More witnesses are coming forward.
She earned that bullet fair and square. Hopefully the lefties either learn from her actions, or face similar results.
I do not feel bad for her one bit. She could have stayed home, could have gone to work, could have gone ice fishing, or a multitude of other things. She is the creator of the totality of events that resulted of her getting a facial adjustment.
And that justifies murder?
DeleteTurns out that she went so far as to take training to "Resist ICE" - through her kids progressive school...
Deletehttps://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-was-minneapolis-ice-watch-warrior-who-trained-to-resist-feds-before-shooting/
https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/99/9a/3c/999a3cd9dba1428a5abbd7ecb3eb337d.mp4
DeleteI’m a long-retired street police officer. For what little my opinion is worth, the driver of the suspect vehicle committed felonious assault with a motor vehicle. Her behavior exhibited willful and wanton disregard for human life, and she was dealt with legally and appropriately.
ReplyDeleteSo if a police officer steps in front of you, fleeing or not, he or she gets to claim "Vehicular Assault" and that justifies Lethal Force?
DeleteDo tell.
That's a pretty poor assessment of how things should work....I assume from your statement above that you did not really (or at all) watch the videos of the murder but relied on what ICE Barbie said instead....
I've always had mixed emotions on the limits of vehicular assault. This one seems pretty clear based on the totality of the circumstances - she FAFO, her fault.
DeleteBut it gets murky when an officer drives at a person who is uninvolved / just in wrong place at wrong time. Does that justify deadly force to stop the officer? What about a drunk driver or road-rager who tries to force me off the road ? Can I shoot them? Tough call, but in this case I'll go with ICE did the right thing.
There is precedent (more cases listed at the bottom):
Deletehttps://studicata.com/summaries/united-states-court-of-appeals-seventh-circuit/tousis-v-billiot-2023-83feyq/
"TOUSIS v. BILLIOT" not really applicable. Did you even bothe to looka t any of the facts of either case?
DeleteThis (current case) ossifer stepped in front the car, and therefore put himself at risk.
Penley isn't even anything like the current situation
Parent is also not applicable
Logson either.
Ingle was a domestic case in a domicile. Again, not applicable
Did you even read the first case you cited?
Excerpted from the first case - Billiot = cop, Tousis = drug dealer:
Delete" Later, Billiot attempted to stop Tousis again, positioning his unmarked car in front of Tousis's vehicle at a red light.
After exiting his car and issuing commands, Billiot shot Tousis as his vehicle began moving forward.
Tousis was pronounced dead later at the hospital. "
Billiot parked in front of Tousis' car.
Billiot got out of his car and started walking towards Tousis.
Tousis started moving the car forward towards Billiot.
Billiot fired in self-defense.
I would say that these two have definite similarities.
Read more closely, He drove at him for a long way away,
DeleteYou most obviously didn't read the entire thing.
But if you are willing to stretch it in that "someone drove a cat at a cop so they are the same" then yes, they are similar.
Like "a pickup truck is the same as a Prius because they both have 4 wheels". Details matter
B I'm curious are you defending your opinion here or defending the poor "victim" of police "brutality"?
DeleteWhile I'm aware that John Adam's defended the British Soldiers in the "Boston Massacre" I'm curious of you see yourself defending a well publicized and TRAINED member of "THE Resistance" here?
Seems the "Victim" here lives in another state and came to the site of the "Minnesota Massacre" on her own free will.
Need I post links or have you already sought those "Details" out?
After watching the video, I think your analysis is spot-on, Joe. Sadly proves "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes"
ReplyDeleteToo cold to get the riots going full steam. Had it been May or June?
ReplyDeleteRioting is not a spectator sport.
ReplyDeleteProtest can turn into rioting in a few seconds.
Avoid both.
AMEN
DeleteTo quote Ol' Remus, stay away from crowds.
ReplyDeleteI have been noticing LOTS of people recently who are either driving or on foot who are moving in one direction while looking in another.
ReplyDeleteThe worst I saw recently is where two women were walking down a sidewalk, facing each other as they talked. They walked right into the street with neither one having looked to see if it was safe to cross the street.
This is a recipe for problems and something we all need to watch in ourselves.
When I approach an intersection, I assume that other traffic isn't looking until I know they are. It is way too common to see vehicles blow through stop signs or make unsafe turns.
When I'm on foot, I assume vehicles don't see me until they give an indication, usually a wave or nod, that they do see me.
Do I have the "right" to act differently? Yes. Could I get killed or injured exercising that "right"? Yes - as with other situations, it is best and easiest to avoid if possible.
Jonathan
We live in Hollywood. Filthie can swing from the chandelier and land on a staircase and menace 15 cutlass-armed bad guys. AND kill them all. Van Damme and Arnie can blow up trucks with a 9mm. Sylvester defeats his opponents after enduring 15 minutes of lethal beating.
ReplyDeleteAnd fat old ladies “punch nazis.”
Contrary to Remus… there is no hiding from this or peacefully resolving it. We can either confront stupid people and control them or they will do it to us. Every single last civilization has fallen when the stupids were allowed to reign. These people are spinning themselves up to go to war against people just like you and I.
Anyways… I’m gonna go get my buck knife and stick it in TB’s gizzard. If anything bad happens to me - I’ll want sympathy, justice and vengeance!!! Think I’ll do Joe and B too. It’ll be easy, they’re fascists…
😂
I am fond of TB. I don’t suppose you can give him a break?
DeleteNope. That katana wielding fascist has to die!!! Joe do you have anything in the barn that will economically turn my hair pink? I can’t afford a hairdresser … I’ll need some piercings too and I can’t trust TB to do it with any restraint…
DeleteBring it, dude.
DeleteIt'll be fun now, you posted a threat so I don't have to wait for you to make the first move.
Yer not really that smart, are you?
I know yer just a blowhard, but still...
Interesting how Joe's response to Filthie's blowhard comments and B's.
DeleteOne took it and defused it with mild humor.
One made insults and mirrored Filthie's behavior.
Joe understands the Bible in daily life:
Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be like him.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool does not delight in understanding, but only in airing his opinions.
What's right and practical ina real world fight will often get you charged under the law. It's smart to be the first one to land a blow in a fight. But legally it's almost impossible to justify. And these days there are cameras EVERYWHERE to document who did what.
ReplyDeleteAs for Minneapolis...she was at a stupid place doing stupid things and paid the ultimate price. Doesn't make the shoot never or even legal. This happens a LOT. Cops DELIBERATELY place themselves in front of an occupied, running vehicle and then claim self defense when they murder the driver. And they always get away with it...so they continue doing it. And they should not. While stupidity should hurt it's not supposed to be fatal. If you CHOOSE to put yourself in a position like that and then kill someone you should NOT be allowed to call it self defense. Because if ANYONE without a badge did that they'd be behind bars facing murder charges. And the law does NOT grant badges in unit to commit murder. This was a clear case of unnecessary use of deadly force. All the shooter had to do is step out of the way and NOT stand in front of the vehicle.
well stated.
DeleteDan so many other postings of yours disagree with your posting above.
DeleteSNIP And they always get away with it...so they continue doing it. And they should not. While stupidity should hurt it's not supposed to be fatal.
Would you like me to show a few of your comments elsewhere about this?
Reading all these comments I have to ASK. Did anybody really READ what Joe wrote?
ReplyDeletePolice don't have the "Advantage" of instant replay. They don't get to wait to SEE if someone driving away is going to do vehicle assault.
But then again, I don't automatically ASSUME (and we ALL know that that means) that ALL POLICE are Automatically WRONG.
Sorry just a retired Military Medical sort that still works EMS and thus gets to pick up Police that get RUN OVER by Vehicles doing their JOB.
As B put it so well, I'll not give warning if you're a problem that needs resolution.
I WONDER who's paying for all this unrest...
ReplyDeletehttps://appalachianrenegade.com/2026/01/08/trump-needs-to-take-control-over-outside-forces/
China would LOVE for America to collapse from within. Our trade with them has fallen as the rest of the world is buying Chinese and NOT using dollar for the most part. Yes, I can post links if you want, or you can google it.
Let's keep on hating ICE and Police, fits very WELL into the Communist Playbook.
People are going to view the "Minnesota Mom of 3" incident through whatever filter they view the rest of the world. Minnesota and the FBI, like virtually every other jurisdiction here, will apply an "objective reasonableness" test, consistent with long-standing Supreme Court precedent. The officer’s use of deadly force must be objectively reasonable under the totality of the circumstances known to the officer at the moment the force was used. It is not judged with 20/20 hindsight but instead from the viewpoint of a reasonable officer facing the same situation — taking into account tense, rapidly evolving circumstances. A motor vehicle has long been legally considered a deadly weapon when driven in a manner that threatens striking someone. Taking into account the tense circumstances this woman helped create all morning before the incident, as well as the rapidly evolving circumstances just prior to the incident, it appears to me objectively that the use of deadly force to defend a law enforcement officer from death or serious physical harm was justified. But I thought Derek Chauvin's use of force on Saint Floyd was objectively justified, appropriate and according to his training. A jury of his non-peers disagreed...
ReplyDeleteAnd had the ICE agent been an illegal?
ReplyDeleteThis would never have hit the news.
We would not have known about it.
Timcast on YouTube posted a video showing the events in slow motion, narrating what he saw. Repeatedly. Title starts off "Activist admits fault"
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that if the officer had not moved to his right, she would have hit him nearly dead center.
People are going to 'believe' what they want, regardless of the evidence. I'm doing my 72 hour rule.
ReplyDeleteYour first sentence hits the nail on the head. Your second sentence shows that you have more self-restraint than I do.
DeleteI don't understand why her supporters issued a photo of her where she displays an entitled smirk. I think they may have missed a trick there.
ReplyDeleteCredit where credit's due - this is a relatively fair take.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
DeleteShould this go to trail, I hope that the jurors go into it without preconceptions.
I know it is cynical of me, but given the likely location and the amount of "coaching" that goes on before these highly politicized cases, I doubt that the potential jurors will be totally honest during the selection process and I have reservations about the agent being able to get a fair trial.
Alpha News has obtained the actual body camera footage of the ICE agent who shot the "Ice Watch" warrior in Minneapolis. The ICE Watch driver was looking right at the ICE agent when she was shot dead.
ReplyDeleteBody Cam footage will be the make-or-break.
DeleteThe motion of the vehicle from the ICE agent's perspective will be visible.
A minor detail that is likely to come into play is that the front (drive) wheels were spinning for some of the time. Wheels that are spinning or sliding relative to the pavement do not exert side-force...that is, the forces that cause a vehicle to turn.
That is clearly evident when a rear-wheel-drive vehicle fishtails when you apply too much power. It is similar to a plane's wing during stall, it is not very responsive to most control inputs.
So, while that tire is free-spinning, the vehicle is not responding to current turning inputs. That means that while the driver might have been furiously cranking the wheel to turn to the right (away from the agent), the vehicle of the automobile (the item filling most of the viewing field of the agent) will not be changing direction beyond the yaw-inertia from pre-slip inputs.
A point that I did not see in the footage I watched, perhaps because of when it ended, involved any bullets beyond the first one fired. If the agent continued firing at her as she sped past...then he will probably have issues.