Tuesday, January 13, 2026

The endless challenge of "Comms"

This video was suggested by frequent commentor "Gary" and is reposted with his permission.

In a nutshell, the video describes an off-the-shelf system that allows cell phones to interact with other cell phones without relying on cell towers or the internet.

The "network" are sets of low power repeaters that are positioned closely enough that they can talk with each other via redundant pathways. The cell phone speaks to the closest repeater via Bluetooth. The message propagates outward over the repeaters closest to the receiving repeater and thence to the intended receiver.

Low power means low bandwidth, i.e. text messages with few or no attachments. Low power means that repeaters can be installed in remote, less visible places and powered with solar + battery. Networks can be joined via repeaters on towers with optimized antenna (like a Yagi) to connect the two local networks...say Eaton Rapids to Albion. Then Albion to Hillsdale means a church (for example) in Albion could reach all of its congregation even though the farthest members lived 70 miles away from each other.

Why this might be useful

According to Insurrection Barbie*, protesters in Minnesota are using various apps and internet platforms to interfere with ICE agents. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize that those channels will be flooded with misinformation and performance will be degraded, perhaps with Denial of Service attacks.

The value of information is subject to the law of diminishing returns

If the sender knows they have limited bandwidth to work with, every byte has value. If the sender believes they have unlimited bandwidth every gigabyte is nearly worthless.

At a local level, high value messages might look like:

"The peaches on my trees are ripe. I cannot pick them. Need three pickers and will pay 1/4 share to the pickers. Contact Timmy Gibson" 

"My Australian Cattle Dog had pups. 3M 2F. Think papa was a Lab. Contact Chelsey Greene"

"Alpha Bapt Church picnic. Nobody signed up for pot salad. Need lifeguards and overwatch sign-up"

"Houses being broken into on Kemler btw 12 and 3 in morning. Beware"

"Have extra pallets. Looking to trade for 16d nails. Contact Brad Hammer"

"Riot forming outside Windsor Estates Trailer Park 5:17 p.m.. Avoid area."

Those kinds of messages put a trivial load on the network and are extremely useful. 

Longer range than a conch shell

This kind of system is not "secure" nor is it impervious to outside forces jamming or disabling it but it is WAY more useful than smoke-signals or waiting until Sunday church to catch-up on the neighborhood news.

*A tip of the hat to Bayou Renaissance Man for the Insurrection Barbie link 

14 comments:

  1. Have looked into that and you can get lora transceivers and merge that with atak
    For team based spacial awareness. Difficulty was getting map data offline for free.
    https://www.civtak.org/atak-about/
    Here is a really cool example and capabilities demo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNmCQI9_bn8

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  2. This particular implementation does include some level of encryption:
    https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/encryption/

    The main weakness is the 'harvest now, decrypt later' exploit - meaning encrypted messages can be stored and then later decrypted if the key is leaked - either via a person leaking it or by gaining physical access to a node.

    Still, it provides some level of defense, which is nice. I'm not familiar with other forms of civilian-grade radio communication and what level of 'encryption' they have.

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  3. I have a collection of soup cans and kite string!

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  4. Four decade + radio amateur here, what ERJ, Anon, and Gary posted, all good info. Actual radio modules on the 'zon $25-$35, you'll want a better antenna $10-$15. Geek warning, if you have no idea what flashing a ROM is (no, nothing with raincoats!) you'll need a computer literate person for startup. App for your cellphone is free. Does /not/ need to be an active phone, just need a Bluetooth or WiFi connection. The module is the 'head', your cell is the display unit. Got one on my desk right now I dropped into an old travel accessory soap case. Check out ewwwtube for care and feeding videos. It's a v. interesting technology.
    Alan E.

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  5. While not without used such systems will likely be unavailable if/when the SHTF in a large way. Then all that will be available will be direct communication radio to radio...if you can power the radio. Have several methods to communicate just in case.

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  6. Testing 2 cheap heltec v3 units now in medicine bottles. 1 solar node is in route. Trying to decide to mount unit high, or unit low with long cable to antenna to facilitate resets. But enough faith in system and reaching relatives 6.5 miles away I am investing

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  7. Hmmm, that might be nice for some 'local' stuff here.

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  8. Viber messaging service should work in that way as well, using any cellphones with Viber installed as repeater nodes and propagating even when no service towers are available.

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  9. https://www.americanpartisan.org/2024/05/meshtastic-big-brother-watching-you-all-gps-tracking-of-all-discovered-nodes-meshcommander/

    Read please.

    Michael the anonymous

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  10. I have quite a bit of experience with meshtastic, both in the portable systems and in building up network systems. If you have questions, I can answer some of them. I have also done a few posts on my blog about this.

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  11. Last night I got a call from an unknown number. As I don't respond to those calls, I let it go. A message from my neighbor from her sister's cell phone about Verizon was down and can I check on my 80+ year old neighbor for her. I did and we called her back on my non-Verizon cell phone.

    Query for meshtastic folks IF the system is down will it work?

    And maybe given the frequency of systemic "issues" like Verizon and such is buying a trac phone worth anything?

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    1. Yes. Meshtastic is completely self contained and requires no phone network (or internet) of any kind. The phone is simply a terminal used to send data via the LORA radio. Strictly speaking, the phone is not necessary for it to work.

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    2. Thanks, RubberDuck, when I tried to see the YouTube video above my antivirus blocked it as malware. So, I didn't get to see it. That was odd because YouTube has never been labeled malware before, nor was the Ukrainian Grandmother video so blocked. Odd.

      So many questions, I'll try to find your blog. Thanks

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