Saturday, October 19, 2024

What kind of person joins a cult?

Jeffery in Alabama at The Feral Irishman posted on the Tsuchinshan Comet and then Irish added HERE

That triggered some thoughts.

Heaven's Gate

Heaven's Gate was a cult that believed that the Hailey-Bopp Hale-Bopp comet was an Uber to Paradise. 

The central belief of the group was that followers could transform themselves into immortal extraterrestrial beings by rejecting their human nature, and they would ascend to heaven, referred to as the "Next Level" or "The Evolutionary Level Above Human".  Wikipedia

Their leaders convinced them that they had to leave behind their flawed, mortal bodies to get to the comet and that they would get new-and-improved bodies in Paradise. 39 members committed suicide.

Jonestown

Same but different.

Charismatic leader who claims that God talks to him.

More than 900 people died by suicide and murder.

Jim Jones was a Communist and was a political player in San Francisco...something the Progressives don't like to talk about.

End of the Mayan Calendar

Long article on Wikipedia.

The phenomenon spread widely after coming to public notice, particularly on the Internet, and hundreds of thousands of websites made reference to it. "Ask an Astrobiologist", a NASA public outreach website, received over 5,000 questions from the public on the subject from 2007, some asking whether they should kill themselves, their children or their pets...

Order of the Solar Temple

Given the scale of the issues facing the group leaders, it was decided they would "transit" to Sirius. The Order termed the acts a "transit", which they described as "in no way a suicide in the human sense of the term". In their view, traitors would be simply murdered, while "weaker" members would be "helped" to transit, and the remaining members considered strong enough would kill themselves. Members believed that, upon death, they would acquire "solar bodies" in a faraway location in space (typically given as the star Sirius, but alternatively Jupiter or Venus)

Commonalities?

They all were able to find "seekers" who attached themselves to The Cause. "Seekers" is a nice way to say "aimless drifters".

Many probably suffered from anxiety and were inherently neurotic personalities.

Many desperately WANTED to believe that life is "fair" and that they should never experience suffering.

My gut-feel is that many of them lacked mental toughness. We all grow up being somebody's special snow-flake. Part of growing up is realizing that...well...we are not all that special*. And that someday Granny is going to die and someday we will have to pay our own way and find our own ways to cope with the buffeting and chaos and river of life.

One scary part of cults is that those damaged people were very willing to inject poison into their own children and pets and then themselves.

Some of the people join a cult because they want to be sophisticated and cool and a trend-setter. They want attention and recognition for their special uniqueness! Once inside the cult, they cannot get out and they are brain-washed.

Today

Today we have people who have been convinced it is righteous to not reproduce.

We have people who think a 90% die-off in humans would be a good outcome.

Assisted suicide is available in many countries and it is marketed as a human right.

---that is evidence of the aimless drifting part---

We have vast legions of people who are sure the universe is supposed to revolve around them and they have been groomed to be "tools" of the elites.

There is no shortage of neurotic people. The current system seems to manufacture them on an industrial scale.

If Trump wins, it will be a trigger for some of those people to lose their bananas.

*...not all that special...except to Jesus. Christianity has a pretty good track-record of not being a death-cult. Of course, having a 2000 year history and a billion+ followers, it is possible to find "situations", but on the whole, I still think it is the "best game in town".

17 comments:

  1. I call the anybody but Trump folks a cult. I was amazed at a few liberals I was chatting up agreed there are real problems with all those undocumented immigrants (housing, welfare costs, medical costs, troubles with bad folks and so on) and such BUT were voting against the "Fat Orange Bastard" out of SPITE.

    Yep, their own words.

    I call them cultists because you can never logically discuss them out of the FEEEEELLLING and such.

    Such men and women drove the Jacobian French Revolution and manned the Guillotines. Nothing new about death cults.

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  2. A good summary of the problem.

    I've known a couple people who were in cults and then left - they describe looking for a place to belong and finding it in the cult.
    Another typical part of being in a cult is limiting contact with non members or cutting it off entirely.
    Jonathan

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  3. "“What else does this craving, and this helplessness, proclaim but that there was once in man a true happiness, of which all that now remains is the empty print and trace? This he tries in vain to fill with everything around him, seeking in things that are not there the help he cannot find in those that are, though none can help, since this infinite abyss can be filled only with an infinite and immutable object; in other words by God himself.” - Blaise Pascal

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    1. Most current christian churches (lower case intentional) meshes well with:

      2Timothy 4
      2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.…

      Or as I say, "Salad Bar christians", just pick and choose what pleases you.

      1st Peter 5
      …7Cast all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. 8Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.…

      "Salad Bar" christians avoid "suffering" and "discipline" and KNOW that God's LOVE will make them Rich.

      And Satan laughs.

      We're not talking about CS Lewis Simple Christianity now a days. Too much meat and suffering-discipline for them.

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  4. "Assisted suicide is available in many countries and it is marketed as a human right."
    Well now - I believe if a person wishes to voluntarily leave this mortal coil, it is that person's "right". (I love hearing about cops killing someone that's attempting suicide). OK - do so. Don't leave a mess for others to clean up.
    "Assisted" suicide is a different matter. I believe the other term for such is "murder". Chicago is full of assisted suicide victims.

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    1. There are stories coming out of Canada of doctors "assisting" patients who are unable to pay for long-term beds.

      There was a story out of Netherlands of a doctor who need an ICU bed for his patient so he opened one up by assisting the patient currently occupying it out of his mortal coil.

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  5. So far, everyone has avoided one of the biggest cults of them all... scientology, the cult of the rich and famous. Still alive and well only because it doesn't have a suicide pact. There's also the Hari Krishna, although I haven't seen evidence of them in several years, mainly because I avoid airports.

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    1. Every time I ride my bike through downtown Clearwater (& down Ft Harrison Ave in general) I think about scientology. They own the place, it's quiet and boring for the most part.
      The people in the scientology uniform I pass on the street very seldom return a greeting.
      When I go over to St. Petersburg and see what a downtown can be, that's when I realize how dead Clearwater is...

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    2. Hubbard designed his religion to fleece the sheep for as long as possible.

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  6. ''Christianity has a pretty good track-record of not being a death-cult. Of course, having a 2000 year history and a billion+ followers, it is possible to find "situations"''

    The Crusades. The Inquisitions. Various pograms. Jesus said to shake the dust off your sandals, not to murder ''heretics''. Not exactly what I'd call a ''situation''.

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    1. OK, I'll bite: Who dragged your tampon through the sand?

      What is the origin of your energy for animus against Christians?

      What do you propose to replace it with: Scientific Marxism (hundreds of millions murdered and starved", Fascism (government driving industry decisions just like "Progressives" dictating social media censoring), Sharia law, a caste system with untouchables?

      Give me a little more to work with, bro.

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    2. ''What is the origin of your energy for animus against Christians?''

      What animus? Are you bothered that I pointed out some rather ugly history? Why take it so personally?

      ''What do you propose to replace it with:''

      I would be delighted if Christians actually followed Jesus. If they did what He did - like the Apostles, like the disciples, and all the followers of The Way. But alas, Christianity isn't anything like The Way and never has been.

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  7. It's all just Darwinian evolution at work, thinning out the gene pool. Individual tragedies, species strengthening.

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  8. Everyone has their own ax to grind, or bone to pick. Humans are going to human regardless of what we say or do.

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  9. My best friend in high school joined the moonies back in the eighties, basically they convinced him he could aid in ‘saving the world’ by earning money cleaning carpets 20+ hrs a day, not much time to think months went by before a moment of clarity he escaped. Jesus came to save the world lots of fakes show up

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