This is not going to be a deep-dive. Many of you can run circles around me in terms of Biblical knowledge. Please feel free to point out my errors.
The Bible is mostly silent on the concept of "Retirement"
The idea of hitting a certain birthday, moving to sugar-sand beaches, then playing endless rounds of golf, playing bridge, making quilts and drinking Brandy Old Fashioned and Mai Tais starting at 10:30am is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
Luke
Luke 12:16-31 is a story of a man who anticipates a harvest that exceeds his ability to consume it all. He plans to tear down his small barns and build large barns to hold the huge harvest. His plan is to live the early Iron-Age equivalent of "retirement". Alas, he dies before his plans can come to fruition.
Historically, this reading is often paired with Ecclesiastes Chapter One, "...vanity of vanities! All things are vanity! What profit have we from all the toil...One generation departs and another generation comes, but the world forever stays."
2 Thessalonians
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Psalms
Many of the Psalms were authored by David, presumably well after he slayed Goliath. Many of them are retrospective in nature. In Psalm 92 it is written;
"..Planted in the house of the LORD, they shall flourish in the courts of our God. They shall bear fruit even in old age, they will stay fresh and green, To proclaim: “The LORD is just;my rock, in whom there is no wrong.”
My take on that is that we are expected, from a Biblical perspective, to be productive in our old age.
Timothy
The books of Timothy were letters Paul wrote near the end of his life to his protégé, the very young Timothy.
From 1 Timothy, Chapter 5 "...anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." Notice that Paul does not write that this is the responsibility of the king, village or NGO. Of course this works both ways. Fathers are to provide for their young children and when those fathers are feeble and of weak-mind. Later those children are to care for their old and feeble parents.
Titus
Titus, a very short letter near the back of the Canon, has this to say about the role of senior citizens:
Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness. Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
Sirach
Sirach is part of the Catholic Canon but is relegated to the
Chapter 3 is very focused on end-of-life of the family patriarch and matriarch.
That was then, this is now
Recent history
Consider "making hay" circa 1930-1980. An old-timer looked at the maturity of the grass and alfalfa and made a judgement about the next 4 day's weather. He cut the hay mid-day after the dew dried. Then he turned it over the next day so the shaded portion of the hay could dry. If necessary, he repeated the flipping over. Then he raked it into windrows. Perhaps on the third day he ran the baler to make small (40 pound) square bales that were scattered across the hayfield.
At that point the hay is very sensitive to damage from rain.
The exercise becomes an all-hands-on-deck evolution. Granny and Grandpa drive the two tractors. Teen-agers walk behind the tractor in the field and carry the bales to the slowly moving tractor. An adult stands on the wagon and stacks the bales so they don't fall (shooting for 115 bales per wagon, if I remember correctly).
Once full, the adult hops off and Granny drives the tractor+wagon to the barn where another crew unloads the wagon and a mature adults stacks the bales.
Everybody had a role that was within their capabilities. Even Granny.
In "Union" shops, jobs were "bid on" based on seniority. Older employees with more seniority had jobs that were less physically demanding. That was another mechanism that helped align workers with jobs that were within their capability.
Current situation
Two things happened that changed that. Automation eliminated many of the less physical jobs like turning a thermostat dial on a heat-treat oven or charging batteries for fork-trucks. Decades of Equal Employment Opportunity litigation resulted in jobs being re-designed to accommodate 5% women but then job-rotation was mandated so everybody got their share of the dirty-end-of-the-stick jobs.
Mandated benefits like health insurance increased the fixed-cost portion of full time employees. That resulted in many jobs being rescheduled as multiple part-time employees (which is senior friendly) but the full-time jobs became 50 hour-a-week jobs to amortize the fix-costs. Since many of the full-time jobs were knowledge based or supervision jobs, that impacted the older workers who wanted to taper their work lives down.
Still contributing
Many grandparents provide day-care to their grandchildren.
We provide rides and collect kids when they get sick at school or summer camp.
One woman I know drove neighbors to the airport and back. She also rented out "parking spots" on her property while snowbirds were migrating.
We volunteer.
We provide training when asked. I am 99% sure that fellow bloggers like Old NFO, True Blue and Pawpaw are still teaching young people shooting skills while Mostly Cajun teaches electricians about Arc Flash and Lockout. Many older people are reading-buddies for students learning to read.
Some of us have an extra or less-used vehicle that we loan to others when their vehicle is in the shop.
I dink around with property and increase its ability to produce food and forest products.
Fairy tales and morality plays................
ReplyDeleteI will very cheerfully post your 400 word essay where you outline a more flexible, humane and rational model of what "retirement" should be like. Rational and humane from both the standpoints of society and the person "retiring".
DeleteNice turn of phrase Joe.
DeleteAnd I shall happily read Richie P's essay.
The bible speaks much about the role of the extended family as well as respecting both the youth (fathers do not exasperate your children as well as caring for seniors as respect to them and to God who made you both.
Loss of as Richie says Fairy Tales and Morality Plays IS why we are in such a moral free ME FIRST F you situation across America and the rest of the world.
Thou shalt not commit murder is why so many wastes of skin are still stealing air from the rest of us.
Ritchie dismisses the excellent blueprint for life that the Bible lays out.
DeleteIt's okay if he doesn't believe in God.
God believes in him.
But dumping on a person who does believe and lives his life following those teachings is a dick move and he should be ashamed.
Thanks for sharing your faith. Joe.
Shame assumes that the person has morals that require shame when they are wrong.
DeleteCannot be wrong is Everything is Relative, you know.
That's why America's in the toilet. No Black Church Ladies keeping the Black Family together and so on.
Visit almost any Blue City beyond the tourist section for details. Not recommended after dark.
Heck Michael, visit any college campus today beyond a few conservative outliers, but also not recommended if you show any visible signs of faith (of any sect or denomination), especially Jewish.
DeleteERJ, I think the expectation - as you so ably point out - to be productive. That can be in a variety of ways which change over time. Scripture acknowledges we age and lose physical abilities, but allows for different ways of contribution.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I thing is Scripturally disallowed is a life solely dedicated to pleasure - but that is presented as always wrong, not just in "retirement".
"In "Union" shops, jobs were "bid on" based on seniority. Older employees with more seniority had jobs that were less physically demanding." IMHO, they pick jobs that pay the most. When I worked in the open hearth the folks who were running furnace were called 1st helpers. They received the highest pay rate as well as incentive based on production. Most were all old gray haired boney gentleman who never left that position till they keeled over. It was a cause of friction because there were only 27 of those positions in a membership of almost 7000. Many had worked 40+years.
ReplyDeleteAs for retirement, I would truly love to live a decadent life for at least a week. Sitting on a dock, fishing and reading a book would work. I have been voluntold for a number of projects as well as my unrequested second career as my wife's healthcare aid, PT tech, wound care and infectious disease nurse. So much for the Golden Years.
Retirement as practiced in the latter half of the 20th century until now is an historical anomaly. Part of the reason America is in the debt catastrophe it is is because we were promised that anyone should be able to live as kings in retirement as well as “have it all” until we get there. So we stuff 15% of our earnings in a 401k or IRA, removing it from productive use and giving it to the banksters. Then, to fund a lavish lifestyle now, we mortgage our houses to the hilt, and get car loans for rolling amusement parks with leather seats.
ReplyDeleteWhen things snap back to the historical pattern, the wailing is going to be epic.
You're on the money ERJ. Retirement in a biblical perspective is that when the sons matured, they took over more of the day to day work and Grandpa provided knowledge, babysitting (teaching the grandkids) and filled in where his brains and life skills made the biggest difference. Modern retirement as practiced by Western culture is an exception to the natural order of life. Unfortunately the culture shock is going to be epic when the Western Ponzi scheme unravels.
ReplyDeleteFrom personal experience and additional observation of others, it is best to retire 'to' some activity than 'from' everything. I have watched physically active and with it people retire to nothing much going on: a trip to the beach, then just kind of drifting. Then they just kind of wither away and die in short order. I've retired 3 times, this one might be the last.
ReplyDeleteI was a carpenter for a prefab company for twenty-seven years, until they went outta business. The last big project we built was a huge senior living complex. And as most projects go, there were the occasional drafting mistakes made and I was the guy who was sent to repair them. When I went to this job site it was still in the early stages of setting walls an trusses on a few of the remaining buildings. I checked in with the carpenter foreman who was young enough to be my son as were the other carpenters, I was in my mid 50's. It was hot and humid work season and after several hours the foreman walked by, stopped and asked me. "Bill, what in the heck did they send you out here, we don't send our older guys out on a job site until the heavy gut busting work is done, doesn't you're company care about you?" "Apparently not" I replied. I'm now 76 and the heavy work is now behind me, I just take care of my widowed daughters few acres, and life is good!
ReplyDeleteFor a long time you worked until you died.. you could be behind the plow, or on the assembly line but you worked until you died. That's just how it was for most folks.
ReplyDeleteToday we are living in the golden age!
Niv numbers 8
ReplyDelete23 The Lord said to Moses, 24 “This applies to the Levites: Men twenty-five years old or more shall come to take part in the work at the tent of meeting, 25 but at the age of fifty, they must retire from their regular service and work no longer. 26 They may assist their brothers in performing their duties at the tent of meeting, but they themselves must not do the work. This, then, is how you are to assign the responsibilities of the Levites.”
Yep, still teaching basic gun skills, and helping out new writers. Gotta have 'something' to do...
ReplyDeleteThen you sleep with your Fathers. Woody
ReplyDeleteI retired 5 years ago and I've never stopped being busy. Instead of punching a clock for 55 years. I can now sit back and enjoy my mornings. Im extremely busy though , I have about twenty projects I'm working on. The nice thing is I do it for myself, not a company or boss. I have found that I am my best boss and worst employee and the worst boss and best employee. Also, I get to do things I didn't have time for while employed full time.
ReplyDeleteThe concept of an official retirement is a recent concept. But so is the idea that most people will live past the age of 60. The two things are tied together. 150 years ago the average lifespan was less than 45 years. Now it's more than 70.
ReplyDeleteI jokingly tell folks that I am on the "New American Retirement Plan".
ReplyDelete'Work until you drop dead'.
Due to having had many jobs over the last 40 years, and having no retirement savings to speak of, I'll be working for at least another 10-15 years provided my body holds up.
It's not the best plan, and I don't recommend it, but I have not been cheated out of anything.
For the last 5000 years, humans worked until they died. Harsh, but true. Then, starting in the 1930's, the USA started the Social Security System. It allowed for workers to retire. It worked. But, only a few other Western Countries had similar systems, as only wealthy countries could even generate enough excess capitol to fund them. A few paltry millions of all the billions of souls who ever lived, got to enjoy this bounty. So, kicking that I don't get to retire when only a very tiny group ever did, isn't bad. I'm just like most everybody who has ever lived.
Well, I’m 75 and I was forced to take Social Seceurity at 62 because I was injured at work to the point of needing back surgery. The powers that evaluated me said only light duty work and the hatchery wouldn’t take me back because they only wanted some one who could do it all. I was injured doing a task that should have been rotated but no one liked doing it and I didn’t complain. So I garden and help feed some of the family, I worked in the wood pile until recently when I need a walker to go any distance. Gardening is down to two hoop houses and a green house that I can mostly work with my stool. We have two of the grand kids for the summer learning and staying out of trouble. I can do chicken chores hauling supplies on the seat of my wheeled walker, also sit on it to chop kindling. One of my daughters lives with us and does heavy work around the homestead and one son comes and helps with the wood pile. We feed one grand kid for breakfast on work days before he drives our car to work because his blew the engine. My wife is helping the summer girl child more advanced cooking. Does that sound biblical enough for you guys?
ReplyDeleteI believe that the Bible leaves the concept of retirement from what we in the new age consider work, career, etc. open to debate. One thing that is not open for debate is that a person who is able to work, should be working. The recent backlash against the proposed work requirements for Medicaid shows how far our culture's work ethic has fallen. While I see nothing unbiblical in preparing for retirement (or potential disasters), we're told to set our hearts and minds on "spiritual wealth" and not on the things or wealth of this world. Never forget; there are no pockets in coffins. What I believe the Bible makes very clear, is that we should never "retire" from doing all we can to fulfill the "Great Commission" of spreading the message of the Gospel. Being closer to 80 than 70 years old and now attending more funerals than weddings, my focus continues to shift from this life to life in eternity. My advice is keep moving, stay as active as your health allows, never stop "working," spread the Gospel as you're able, and heed the words of Moses to the Israelites; "...I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life..." Deuteronomy 30:19
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