Saturday, May 9, 2026

Science done right

I am feeling pretty beaten up today. There is a bug going around according to Southern Belle and the maple pollen counts are high.

As I sat in the official blogging chair of the Eaton Rapids Joe blog, I dipped into the internet and stumbled across an example of "good" science.

Background

In the 1990s after the fall of the Soviet Union, a delegation of scientists from the US surveyed the mountains of Central Asia east of the Aral Sea basin. Scientist hypothesize that these mountains are the ancestral home of modern, domestic apples. Dried fruit and seeds moved westward along the migration and trading routes and interacted with native species in Asia Minor and Europe. The small number of seeds in the original migration was seen as a genetic bottleneck.

It was speculated that there could be all kinds of useful genes in the larger population the progenitors of the original apples (called Malus sieversii), genes that could be very useful in terms of disease and insect resistance, resistance to cold (temperatures sometimes hit -40F in the mountains), drought and salt.

The first expeditions were in 1995 and 1995. There were FORESTS of wild apple trees, many of them bearing fruit of very high quality. Seeds were harvested by the hundreds, even thousands. Scion for grafting was collected from the elite specimens to be propagated in the United States. 

Magazine articles were written and illustrated with pictures of these wild orchards and bear tracks and bear poop.

TV interviews were made on PBS and BBC and Discovery channels.

It was a Very Big Deal. It was the botanical version of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

...and then...

DNA testing became an everyday tool in the lab and scientists started looking at the samples the expeditions brought back.

It seems likely that various товарищ (komrades) had moved commercial orchards into the wild forests as a way to avoid the heavy hand of the central government. Interspersing the domestic apple trees with the wild M. sieversii not only hid the production from the authorities, it resulted in hybrids between the two and those progeny were the ones that most attracted the eyes of the expedition.

Rabbit-hole details

The DNA data had enough resolution to (usually) identify the parents or grandparents of the samples tested.

In order of frequency mentioned, those varieties are

  • Alexander (Ukrainian apple)
  • Golden Reinette (from Denmark or England depending on where you ask)
  • Charlamoff (perhaps "Charlamowsky" a Duchess of Oldenburg type apple)
  • Rosmarina Bianca (an apple from northern Italy)
  • Golden Pearmain (possibly from southeastern US)
  • Lowland Raspberry (Russian)
  • Yellow Transparent (Russian)
  •  
  • ....Mostly onesie-twosies after this... 
  •  
  • Reinette Simirenko (Ukrainian)
  • Zigeunerapfel (oldest known apple cultivar from Germany)
  • Gragylling (Sweden)
  • Gross de Saint Clement (Belgium, maybe)
  • Kuron Kitaika (Russian/Ukrainian, a hybrid of M. domesticaM. prunifolia)
  • Spasovka Kvasna (Russian. Kvasna is Russian for hard cider)
  • Kostlicher (Golden Delicious?  West Virginia)
  • Weisser Tafelapfel (German)
  • Yellow Bellflower (New Jersey or possibly Cornwall, England)

What tickles me about this information is that the scientists involved simply reported the data. They didn't point fingers. They didn't trash-talk. They simply updated the reports with addendums. They had tools that the scientists in 1995 did not have. And frankly, the scientists who were on the expedition were aware that "introgression of genes from Malus domestica" was a very real possibility. The apples they were finding were simply too good to be true.

Another perspective is that this is analogous to the post on the feral apple orchards of Ontario. Those orchards were over-represented by seedlings with Tolman Sweet and Wealthy ancestry. The wild orchards in Kzakistan were even more heavily over-represented by seedlings with Alexander, Golden Reinette and Charlamoff ancestry. 

Plant update

If you look closely, you will notice that the plants are growing in shallow water.

Walmart had these at very attractive prices and the plants arrived in good shape.

Two more packages were delivered today. One held a gooseberry plant, cv. Tixia. The "Tixia" I purchased last year turned into a currant bush. The other package held 9 Louisiana Iris plants cv. Ann Chowning. 



5 comments:

  1. Love a good apple story, thanks.
    I grow all my trees from seed, some are doing very well, some hit year 4-5, bloom and slowly die from fire blight.
    The Arkansas black seedlings, have done very well here, unknown what the other parent is. Lots of seedlings revert to small crab type apples,I eat them anyways, and thanks to you I have grafted some over.
    This year #6 the only trees I bought, Pink Lady both withered and died. I am in a 3rd year of drought.

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    1. The first few years we had animals that grazed, I thought I was something special. Everything I tried worked. I thought I was a genius.

      Then a dry year happened and I looked like an idiot.

      Back around 1994 I planted a bunch of Jonafree seeds and a few from Keepsake. Most of the Jonafree seeds were pollinated by Golden Delicious with a few by Jerseymac. Between 1/5 and 1/3 of the trees had very good fruit. Some were very early. Some were very late. It was a worthwhile experiment and the trees are still producing.

      Planting an apple seed is better than buying a lottery ticket. When you buy a losing lottery ticket you get nothing. When you plant a mediocre apple pip you still get flowers and fruit.

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  2. Speaking of apples, this came up in my reading today:

    "Pomiferous: The most extensive apples (pommes) database"
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48009441

    Links to other sites and databases in the comments as well.

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  3. Vozrozhdeniya Island in the south end of what once was the Aral Sea was the site of the Soviet's big bioweapons laboratory and factory. The sea has dried up due to Soviet mismanagement and everything around the former sea is badly contaminated.

    Would not trust anything harvested within 500 miles of the former Aral Sea. Winds have spread the bioweapon spores all over the entire area.

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